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Charlie Hebdo Shootings In Paris – Are We Being Lied To?

Martin
January 16, 2015
Looks like they missed… A high power rifle like that would’ve given some major recoil (which we don’t see). The guys head doesn’t even flinch. Someone needs to go look at the pavement to see if the bullet left a mark which it would’ve done for sure. Looks like another set up job like the thing in Woolwich where the car clearly didn’t hit the pole… Just my thoughts anyway, get upset about them if you want.

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Wildsilver
January 15, 2015
It seems plenty of people looking at this site have been deeply affected by this murderous rampage and are in no mood for any rational discussion of the facts.

I understand, emotion runs deep, no disrespect meant.

However, facts are facts, unemotional and clinically cold even.

For many folk, there’s never a good time for a conversation about facts. It’s often a hard one usually with much personal stuff at stake.

For me though, some of the pixels in the big picture, now known worldwide as Charlie Hebdo, just do not fit.

For example, my enquiring wants to know just how easy, or difficult, it would be to obtain the Hebdo office editorial meeting schedule routine, in advance, and to plan this attack around that.

We know the publication operated in a high security environment because of the attention it attracted, a previous fire bombing and regular threats.

Also, several staff members lived outside Paris, or even in other countries. How could the killers be certain that their targets, each named on the hit list, would be present on the day.

I expect it could be explained by having an informer on the inside, but so far there’s been no claim of that.

For sure there are other possibilities, but for me it’s about what’s probable.

Usually the correct answer is the obvious one (Occam’s razor).

The probability is that the necessary, in depth and most current intel required for this murderous job, was harvested via electronic surveillance of the victims.

For this hit list to exist, the Killers would have to have known in advance, exactly who would be at work that morning, at the planned operation time .

Enquiring further, I am really curious to know just what’d be involved in tracking the seven individuals phones and emails. What has to be in place to be able to do that. Who has that kind of ability.

For many thinking people, there are certainly more questions than answers.

It’s a great pity the accused didn’t live and get their day in court. That’s where evidence is presented and made public. Like this there’s no need to prove anything. Case closed.

It seems the tradition documented in Operation Gladio (look it up if you dare) is alive and thriving.

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Deej
January 14, 2015
Also that dust could have been moved by the shock wave. I always thought the 7.62 did most of it’s damage once it starts to tumble which at that short range wouldn’t be happening.. This guy was murdered plain and simple…

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Deej
January 14, 2015
wasn’t the cop that got the head shot the driver of the car, if so he was probably still in the vehicle dead..

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Frank Keefe
January 13, 2015
The conspiracy theorists are out again..if it isnt the moon landings its the second gunman on the grassy knol…9/11 was an inside job…Elvis didnt die and is working in a fish&chip shop…and now this…all I can say is the mental institutions must be missing a few patients.!!!

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Anon
January 13, 2015
What a bunch of c*nts you are, these people died for pity’s sake stop trying to make money off their tragedy. Click bait. I bet you still think the world is flat and that man never landed on the moon despite all the evidence?

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Sam
January 14, 2015
Yeah man didn’t land on the moon

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anom
January 13, 2015
Amazing how everyone all of a sudden becomes experts on gun shot trauma, exit wounds. Who says the bullet didn’t get stuck and stem the bleeding or has no one had a deep cut before and it takes a good 10 seconds before it starts bleeding? Left the passports in the car? Ever think it was because they thought they could get away and need a passport to get out the country. Amazing how some small minded minds think when they don’t want to see the truth….

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Jim
January 14, 2015
A bullet from an AK47 at point blank would go straight through more than one persons head

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Anonymous
January 13, 2015
They got rid of this part of the clip everywhere. Censored it. The “terrorists” put masks on but just left their ID’s in the car ( so convenient for the “police” ! ). The “terrorists were killed! ( again very convenient 🙂 ) Absolute BS. The people trying to make up these things and cause panic and hate need to be dealt with… They’re biting off more than they can chew though, it will happen and they will not succeed.

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Helen Curry
January 13, 2015
how utterly despicable to use someone’s death to calmly postulate on a lame conspiracy theory that even I, no ballistics expert, can see has more holes than a sieve. Shame on you

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Alistair
January 14, 2015
Shame that some people (Rupert Murdoch for example) accept and ignore the fact they are killing lots of people just to improve the economy and earn a profit!

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mattm
January 12, 2015
I’m sorry but this isthe most fucking ridiculous bollucks I’ve ever seen. Just take this for the tragedy it is. We don’t need you poking holes in it when it’s bad Enough as it is.

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John
January 12, 2015
U need to give ur head a wobble just coz his head dosent move violently or explode dosnt mean it hasn’t had a bullet thro it and as for the spash about a foot away rounds are made in a way that they ricochet around inside the body so a round can go in one direction and out another. With the masks and idcard I think we can all belive that they are compleat fucktards and what ever was going throw their head a lot of us will not understand so plz stop ur conspiracy theories and reading into what littel deatails you see or dont see on the media or stop ur right wing defending with anything you can come up with.

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rob
January 12, 2015
Whenever something happens there’s always “idiot” conspiracy theorists. Its all in ur head guys

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Rob
January 12, 2015
If you ACTUALLY look closely where you circled the is the movement of debris which starts under the officers head. Stop being so fucking disrespectful to the dead.

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SimonB
January 12, 2015
So you take down my comment because it was critical of your insensitivity? Conspiracy much?

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Ed
January 12, 2015
Ridiculous conspiracy theory straw clutching – this bullsh*t is pointless and detracts from the tragic loss of life on the Paris streets – quite frankly it’s heartless. To close the poorly put together video with the line “you decide” but lead up top with the URL “charlie-hebdo-shootings-paris-lied” is hugely misleading.

There is very little incentive for governments to try and swing favour towards a specific war this time, everyone is aware of the atrocities ISIS are committing worldwide but they are a largely stateless organisation – we are not talking for example about trying to get public support to enter Afghanistan here.

Time-wasting, scare-mongering and irresponsible. If you want to have a crack at journalism learn to collect facts and discuss two sides to a story, not skew things to increase your page’s hits.

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clickbait
January 12, 2015
clearly just clickbait for views.

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muddywaters
January 12, 2015
something just doesnt sit right for me it looks staged, and in my experience a head shot kill nearly always involves leg twitches etc afterwards it just does and they got away wtf this is organised by the people we trust and portrayed as alqaeda i ask you do they actually exist? 8 out of 10 people are just sheep remember the bigger the lie the more people will believe!!

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John
January 12, 2015
What experience do u have in headshot kills apart from cod

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SillyBilly
January 13, 2015
What exactly is your experience on head shots then?

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John
January 14, 2015
Afghan

Danny
January 12, 2015
Looks like its goes through his chest then hits the floor to me that .hence no splatter of the head

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YanDman
January 14, 2015
I agree. It either went through his chest or neck. The rifle never points to where the dust on the pavement appears

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really…
January 12, 2015
First of all the police man on this pic still got his hands up what means a stop clip is fronlm the moment before shooting. Second thing is that a guy in black gave a shot and killed the policman when he pass his body. He was on a line with his head and oposit the guy with camera, his gun was directed down. From video it looks like he missed a first shot.

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g
January 11, 2015
i disagree, a persons head wont explode like a watermelon if their shot thats a myth. his head would not be rocked either to any noticeable extent.the dust is from bullet fragments hitting the ground. i feel whomever made this video has been watching too many hollywood movies. theres no conspiracy here just a very tragic and merciless loss of life. my thoughts are with all the victims involved.

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sdsd
January 12, 2015
You’re right, i have seen plenty of videos of people being shot in the head and only someone who has never seen a real execution would think that there would be blood and brains everywhere.

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LOLed I almost did
January 12, 2015
JFK?

Paul
January 13, 2015
Ok, go check the assassination of JFK mate and come back to me.

Nicholas
January 11, 2015
I see where you are coming from but I disagree with your statements. The only place in France where you can get 7.62mm ammunition is in the French military. But you can get 5.56 ammunition as long as you have a B1, B2 or a B4 permit. There are over 20 types of the AK. The AK-102, 103, 104, 105 and 107 all fire 5.56mm rounds. Now, a 5.56mm is a big round as well and it is capable of going through any part of the human body but they don’t go through all the time, sometimes even at point blank range. I’ve never fired an AK but I have hunted wallabies with bolt action rifles that fire 5.56mm rounds and most times they would go through and sometimes they wouldn’t. A few times I would have to put a wallaby out of it’s misery at point blank range and sometimes the round wouldn’t go all the way through. So in my opinion the round that was fired at the officer’s head (may his soul rest in peace) did not leave an exit wound as it did not go through his head. Now for the dust part. Point any firearm towards concrete and fire a blank (dummy) round or a real round. See what happens. This is backed up with facts. Surf the internet to try and prove me wrong all day if you must.

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Noor
January 11, 2015
I don’t really think it matters tbh, it doesn’t change the fact they attempted on killing someone else.

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Anonymous
January 13, 2015
What? are you actually stupid? Do you not understand what the video is trying to explain? It’s a fake “shooting” trying to get people to think about certain races.

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anom
January 13, 2015
Races? Religion isn’t a race

Trevor Mills
January 11, 2015
More political propaganda, for an excuse to use “military intervention” as a reason to invade the “perpetrators” country?
A well played out ULD “UnlawfulDischarge” that film has proved the manovoure backed fired?
A coverup by killing the “gunmen” involved and conveniently finding their ID cards in a car?
A manipulative act of oppression masked behind the likes of the TPPA?
America was first with their 9/11 “attack”, now it’s France. Who’s next?

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Yachal
January 11, 2015
Very interesting, I would love to hear what a true firearms expert had to say. I hunt and am familiar with the damage that can be caused by firearms, however I am also a realist and work in the engineering field where things can usually be explained.
My question is, at such close range; at full muzzle velocity, what effect will a fully jacketed projectile have? It’s plausible that being fully jacketed it would pass the skull without expansion, exiting through an equally small hole with minimal blood spatter. Because the bullet did not expand, and because it’s relative mass is so small in comparison to a human head, it is also plausible that it did not impart enough momentum to make the officer jerk etc.

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James123
January 11, 2015
I can’t say I saw a lot of the media coverage of this event, but they muck up all the time. Does that mean they are lying? Or stupid? When they cover my field of work I can usually count 3 – 5 major facts that they mix up or get plain wrong. I think this is especially the case when it comes to the media in NZ.

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Nathan
January 11, 2015
Yes, yes we are.

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nock
January 11, 2015
Why isn’t NZ connected with the world on the map in the video?

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masnoena
January 11, 2015
Absolutely! Exactly what most people have summised…why go thru all that trouble to put on skii masks to protect your identity if you just gonna leave your drivers in the car for police to find lol

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